Want Seiken Densetsu 2 (Secret of Mana) OST

vert1 wrote:

"Whoever says a "giant f--- you to bigots" is a bigot, and in fact a total bigot, a kind of uberbigot, because he basically hates EVERYONE, not just simply this or that particular group of people -- including HIMSELF. Because what the little subhuman means by "bigot" here is simply someone who is not enough of a hypocrite to deny using conceptual categories to make value judgements, and since it is impossible to make value judgements without using conceptual categories (the "bigot", for example, is such a category), and since moreover it is impossible to live WITHOUT making value judgements, the anti-"bigot" is also including himself in the definition of "bigot". So not only he hates others, indeed everyone, he also hates himself, in addition to being a hypocrite AND an idiot (for not being capable of understanding a word I just said)."

Right, the fact is, you - and people like you - never thought I was anything more than just someone you could beat on for fun, and you make excuses along the lines of that I'm bigoted, or less-than-human, never mind that I never had anything to do with you in the first place.

Stop making excuses for your behavior, and accept responsibility for your actions.

...and how the hell did you add self-loathing to the mix...?

Last edited by Bernhardt (May 30, 2011)

Bernhardt wrote:

Right, the fact is, you - and people like you - never thought I was anything more than just someone you could beat on for fun, and you make excuses along the lines of that I'm bigoted, or less-than-human, never mind that I never had anything to do with you in the first place.

Stop making excuses for your behavior, and accept responsibility for your actions.

...and how the hell did you add self-loathing to the mix...?

Got nothing against you. I was just piggybacking off of what you said:

Bernhardt wrote:

As for the most of you, the anti-bigot shtick is just nothing more than fashionable to you; it's something you follow out of conformity, not because you had some grand revelation or epiphany.

Also, being bigoted against bigots is also bigotry.

This thread should have been locked wayyyy back.

Last edited by vert1 (May 31, 2011)

Idolores wrote:

Bernhardt wrote:

>that entire spiel

None of us hate you because you're a non-conformist or whatever. It's not even because you're Christian. I could retread what others have told you about the manner in which you post, but it'd be redundant at this point. Suffice to say, I feel like you come off as pretentious and immature at best, and at worst, abjectly insane.

Please take Adam's advice and at least develop a sense of objectivity in regards to the things you post here and elsewhere. Before hitting that "submit" button, think seriously about how others will interpret and react to the things you say. It's a viewpoint I've had to learn myself, too. you'll avoid lots of shitstorms by carefully considering what you're about to say and how you go about saying it.

I'm not trying to be spiteful by saying all of this, just somewhat concerned. Take that for what its' worth.

Man, never thought I'd see the day when you'd brush me off.

You know that I think seriously about everything I post, and I do mean everything. If I say something, it's because I think it needs to be said and addressed. After all, I always make sure to use proper grammar and punctuation, so you know I put a great detail of care and thought into my posts.

JB's trying to re-enforce the notion that I'm homophobic, but I'm trying to tell y'all that I'm not prejudice against gays anymore (used to be, but that changed at one point), and now you're all telling me I'm pretentious or insane.

What do you even mean by pretentious, anyway? People often misuse words. It's not like I ever say, "Ooh, you're one of those people" kind of pretentious. Did we all never grow out of our cynical/skeptical phase, and we still denounce anything remotely intellectual as being sophomoric?

Before, everyone was busting my balls for being homophobic, and now that I'm talking about why a person ought not to be prejudice, now you're calling me pretentious? Make up your damn minds; do you want me being prejudice against gays, or not?

I can't help thinking that many of you don't really bother to read or understand my messages; it seems like you just skim through them, or you otherwise don't get a very good understanding one way or another.

Either that, or anytime I say anything that contradicts your own notions, you jump straight to pulling either the "Bigot" or "Insane" cards on me, rather than trying to understand how and why people think differently from you.

If anything, all I see a personality clash. I tend to be rather loud and outgoing (online, at least) - some people see it as endearing, others see it as obnoxious - and that's the one part I can see anyone seriously having trouble with.

Last edited by Bernhardt (Jun 01, 2011)

Razakin wrote:

Bern, I feel bit like that you can't/won't/want to admit that you might be wrong in some subjects on this thread. But then, that's just my feeling.

What the hell am I wrong about?

You wankers think I'm still a raging homophobe when I'm not! If anything, you're the ones who have me completely wrong!

You don't get to drop a bomb, and run off scott free!

Razakin wrote:

Anyways, did you get the album or not? I think that's the most important question and thing in this thread.

If anyone actually gave a shit about that, this thread wouldn't have ended up 4 pages long.

If my initial request really was all that outlandish, y'all should've ignored it, and I still would've gotten the message anyway, but y'all wanted to rag on me about so much more, as if I couldn't take subtle hints.

Last edited by Bernhardt (Jun 01, 2011)

Razakin wrote:

Bernhardt wrote:

What the hell am I wrong about?

You wankers think I'm still a raging homophobe when I'm not! If anything, you're the ones who have me completely wrong!

You don't get to drop a bomb, and run off scott free!

Dude, relax and breathe. And don't start raging towards people who haven't basically called you anything. That will just make things worse.

Dude, I want clear and concise answers as to why people think they have the right to shit on me!

Razakin wrote:

and even give clear (at least to me) indication that I would drop it for you if you wouldn't find it in 24 hours after my post.

Somehow, I guess I thought you were being sarcastic or facetious, given the overall mood on these forums in general.

A friend of mine dropped the album to me within the first 3 posts of the thread. And this thread would've been over, if people hadn't saw fit to flame me.

Razakin wrote:

Edit: Probably this will open another can of worms, but one thing that really bothers me about you Bern, is your lack of trying to find stuff yourself (at least it comes out that way, who knows how much you google stuff before asking). But then, maybe it's just a personality trait, some people ask for help easier and some (like me) will almost go to grave before asking for help.

Pretty much goes in the realm of just wanting things fast; after all, I did buy the album not once, but twice; computer crashed more than once, and that was back then, when the concept of backing things up was still completely foreign to me.

Other than that, in the past, I've spent days searching for stuff on the internet, to the neglect of everything else (studying, housework, etc.) that's time I can never get back, and in some cases, time that was wasted to my own permanent detriment; there were classes that I failed, just because I spent so much damn time downloading stuff, that I eventually deleted soon afterward, after figuring out that it was complete and total crap - not that I would've spent so much time shirking my studies, if the subject matter had actually been interesting, as opposed to conveniently disguised ploy to strangle tuition money out of me.

I used to do a lot on my own. Often times more than I could handle, and that was when I learned to ask people for help.

Still kind of new to the internet; never had my own computer, much less internet, until I went away to college.

Folks around here know how to find things faster than I do. Why can't I just ask y'all?

Last edited by Bernhardt (Jun 02, 2011)

Hell yes Tim. That along with The Last Story, ASH, and Somabringer.